Lots of loft and lie questions coming in at the moment. How do you know if you have the right lie angle? An in depth article on the topic awaits.
Keeping It Simple:
I’ll ask you some questions like;
What has started your attention on lie angles?
What have you got? – clubs, ball flight, injuries or pain
Where do you want to be? – clubs, ball flight, injuries or pain
Then we’ll come out with solutions based on that.
Jump to the end “services for lie angle changes” if you don’t need all the fluff.
Making It Complex:
For those that want to know the fluff, strap in…
These are the things I’m taking in to account when asking you some simple questions in a Lie Angle consultation.
Static Fit / Current Set Up / Desired Set Up / Is It Right? / Implications to ball flight, swing and body troubles, long term / The wedges and woods compared to the irons / Services for lie angle changes.
STATIC FIT – Length and Lie Angle
The starting point for length and lie angles is to plot your height on the Ping fitting chart below.
You can find the below chart by typing in to Google images “Ping fitting chart”.
This is a mix of your height and measuring the nearest part of your watch strap from the floor while standing up in inches.
The lie angles on your clubs will have a play in the direction of your golf ball. Length will change your lie angle at impact if longer or shorter.
Everyone is a different size and shape and will have a unique starting point on this chart.
9 times out of 10, I’ve found that this chart is spot on for length and lie angle.
When looking to adjust your existing clubs it’s my favourite place to start checking how far out “off-the-rack” or second hand irons may be.
DIRECTION – Lie Angle
If the toe is too high at impact the ball can be encouraged to go left.
If the heel is too high at impact the ball can be encouraged to go right.
This could lead to someone compensation with technique to manage clubs that are not ideal.
TESTING – Lie Angle Yourself
Here is a quick and easy way to test for yourself, you need golf balls, a sharpie and somewhere to hit the balls like a driving range or on the golf course:
Draw a straight line on the ball (best to use this while still wet) or colour in the black rectangles on a range ball.
Line the ball up so that line is vertical and will make a mark on the face of your club during an actual shot and it should make a mark.
It should wipe off with a wet towel.
Do it 3-5 times to get a pattern of strike as just one shot could be a one-off.
You’re looking for something that comes out like the lines below;
Now this is the extra sauce to that theory. It is very much a theory up to this point. Here is why:
We don’t want to make the direction worse than it is.
It’s best not to mask swing flaws with lie angle unless the chart or the lie angle test supports the change.
Tend to hit it left?
If you go flatter, this will help hold the ball to the right.
Tend to hit it right?
If you go more upright, this will help hold the ball to the left.
This could be a false economy if not done for the right reasons.
Compensate technique with a clubs lie angle to hide a flaw and it won’t last long.
Poor technique can lead to long term pain in the body and the ball flight;
Back pain, knee pain, hip pain, single muscle abuse and then larger dispersion left-and-right, long-and-short while fighting an incorrect lie angle.
Wedges and Woods
Your wedges may be a different lie angle to your irons even if they are ‘standard’, so don’t neglect them. Not all brands have the same ‘standard’.
Most of the time I encourage 1 degree flatter on the wedges compared to the irons as the shafts react differently with slower wedge swing speeds.
Your woods have limited capability to change lie angle. Some have settings on adjustable necks that can compliment any needs with the irons.
Forged Irons Vs Cast Irons
Forged irons are a softer metal and can move over time. Every contact with a tree root could nudge the lie angle.
I would say to get these checked every 2-3 years.
Use me, use my services and I’ll throw some questions to you to make sure your clubs are being changed or not being changed for the right reasons and work on the long term benefits
Services for Lie Angle Changes
MOT & SERVICE – £50 – This includes a loft and lie check for the Hole bag, brilliant for forged irons and wedges. Any discrepancies would be corrected, wedges made 1 degree flatter than irons, along with a full detailing of your golf clubs.
This is the perfect way to sharpen up your existing clubs.
MOT, SERVICE & Lie Change – £70 – This is when the set need to be changed to a specific lie angle based on a good discussion beforehand.
This is perfect if your clubs do need the lie angle moving. Stick with me and you’ll get it perfect if it’s needed or you’ll save yourself some money and be reassured.
Here’s a link to the MOT’s available: